A conversation about writing into an authoritarian world, finding ways of telling truths and making the case for Human Rights.

Elif Shafak is the author of the global bestseller 10 Minutes 38 Seconds in this Strange World. She writes in both Turkish and English.

Philippe Sands is a lawyer, President of English PEN and the author of the Baillie Gifford Prize-winning East West Street. Introduced by Daniel Gorman, director of English PEN.